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Can somebody explain payouts to me?

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So, I have been watching bleary eyed, every moment of the live plays and I just don't get it.  How is it possible that Scott can play so many hours and only have a best hit ever of $65,000 or so...??   

I have had 2 $10,000 hits playing penny slots for $3 a pull and have had too many to count between $1,000 and $5,000 .  Scott should have occasional line hits at his max bet in the hundreds of thousands.  When I have played $25-$80 a spin I get nothing usually.   

A really good win is 1000X my bet or higher,  but in high limit play, a really good win is 100X or less.  Black Widow full screen of the ladies is 50X the bet.  It doesn't seem right.  

I have always been led to believe that the amount you bet doesn't influence the machine but in practice it sure seems to.   I would love to have Scott and Brian sit side by side one night playing the same game and figure out what the average times/bet payout is at $1 per spin versus $100/spin.   

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Excellent point.  The way I understand it is that volatility is the main issue here.  The high volatility games, like Wicked Winnings with  jackpots of up to 8,000x bet, can be found only at 1-cent or 2-cent denominations.  On the other hand, the high-limit games have typically low and sometimes medium volatility.  I guess the casinos and the game makers don't think that high rollers are inclined to sit at a machine for an hour or so without getting a substantial jackpot (I don't mean a handpay).  In other words, high rollers tend not to tolerate the long dry spells characteristic of high volatility games.

I believe that the average payout rate of a $25-per-coin machine is higher than that of a penny machine.  However, this is a different matter from the volatility of a given game.  BTW, I know that this does not quite answer your question, but it's one way to look at this interesting subject.

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In the case of Scott, his choices are limited in Colorado.  Nicholas S makes great points as well.

 

I actually think this is why Scott likes Black Widow so much .. the fluctuation is smaller and when he wants to go out and play, and play at a denomination that is still interesting for someone of his wealth, he doesn't want to lose $20k in quick order and then go home,,,, you want some play time,  So the black widow game for instance, is a game where he rarely seems to get totally destroyed and also rarely just destroys the game.  It is a lower fluctuation game.  

 

You play wicked winnings where you can win 6 figures on a hit ... well that means you can lose a lot of money while trying to get it.

 

I think there is a jackpot on Widow for all wilds too, though I have never seen anyone hit it.

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Play jacks or better vp some time and then play triple double vp sometime ... huge jackpots on the later but you are losing at a very high rate until they come ... the jacks or better game is lower fluctuation but you are limited to a royal flush (every 40,000 hands or so) to win big.  

Both games could potentially be within a few tenths of a percent of return within eachother but one has huge short term risk vs reward when compared to the other.

9-6 jacks or better is something like 99.6% return with optimal play (They have high limit versions at Cosmo for instance) and if you couple the card and other benefits that Scott might get playing it, you could probably get near breakeven with playing it .. but it is a pretty steady decline until that royal pops in there.

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